joseph kabila, who was recently elected in 2011, which many characterized as a rigged election -- what do we know about the current president, and why do we support leaders in africa to exploit their citizens and the poverty that in sue's makes them more susceptible -- ensues makes them more susceptible to extremist elements, like al-qaeda? you will receive 100 virgins when you do the suicide attack, and whatnot. how can we get ourselves out of this, america? somebody talk to me, please. >> i think you are right. this is part of a generation of african leaders that are not going to move their countries forward. this is an issue of economic freedom. y have the opportunity,rtunit we're going to keep coming back here. from my perspective, mr. affleck is sitting on the far right, but i am okay with that. [applause] >> to ask the question about the character of joseph kabila -- i first met him in 2001. he came to me with secretary powell, and they sat in the secretary's office soldier to soldier. joseph kabila laid out a vision of what he wanted for his government. that was a vision of demo